There’s Good eLearning and There’s Bad eLearning: how do we tell one from the other?

You know how it is. You are invited to deliver a keynote at a con­fer­ence and you have to come up with a topic and a title at short notice, so you think of some­thing that sounds inter­est­ing (you hope) and that will give you scope for an inter­est­ing talk.

Chris Evans, of Brunel Uni­ver­sity, kindly invited me to speak at a con­fer­ence on eLearn­ing tak­ing place at Brunel next Mon­day (6th) — I’m tak­ing a day out of my hol­i­day to attend, and I am look­ing for­ward to it. I chose my topic many weeks ago and I’m cur­rently hav­ing some fun think­ing through the scope of the talk I want to give around the title of:

There’s Good eLearn­ing and there’s Bad eLearn­ing: how do we tell one from the other?

My approach — aside from some wari­ness about the term ‘eLearn­ing’ itself — will be to explore those fea­tures and char­ac­ter­is­tics of online learn­ing, in its widest def­i­n­i­tion, that I believe match or fall short of a sound phi­los­o­phy of learn­ing. Of course, such an approach will be highly sub­jec­tive, but I hope to raise a few issues that will give those attend­ing some­thing to talk about.

I want to look at issues as diverse as ‘creepy tree­house syn­drome’, the folly of ‘com­mu­nity build­ing’ as opposed to ‘com­mu­nity grow­ing’ (Stephen Downes, as you might expect, is strong on this issue), the cen­tral­ity of net­work learn­ing, the power and impor­tance of ‘unlearn­ing’, and the chang­ing nature of what it means to be edu­cated today (a topic I have writ­ten and spo­ken about before — see here for instance). I also intend to take a pot­shot or two at the cor­po­rate form of eLearn­ing so beloved of large (and not-so-large) firms around the world.

Any thoughts, ideas, provo­ca­tions on this topic would be more than wel­come!

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19 Comments

  • Explain how teach­ers every­where are try­ing to use eLearn­ing and so forth yet get blocked at every turn by half wit­ted IT experts at Coun­cil level.… 8-)

  • John,
    Wouldn’t the answer to your ques­tion be exactly the same if you sim­ply dropped the “e”? For so many of the most clam­orous voices in our field, learn­ing is a process not a goal. What often strikes me as some­what sad, is that the “learn­ing” part of the neol­o­gism is used almost always as a rather tacky par­tici­ple, not as the dif­fi­cult and demand­ing noun used by civilised men for cen­turies. What else does “per­son­alised learn­ing” imply but an indi­vid­ual process or jour­ney, open to all. In the minds of all great teach­ers: isn’t learn­ing always a goal?

  • Online, as never before, a learner must always con­sider the source. Good elearn­ing begins for most by learn­ing to iden­tify the good sources.

  • Hi John, you may remem­ber when we were in Sin­ga­pore I gave a talk called “Techno or No-Tech — which is bet­ter?” The prob­lem with terms such as “e-learning” is it puts the focus on one small part of the learn­ing sup­port ser­vice, some­times at the expense of more fun­da­men­tal needs, includ­ing the abil­ity to touch and smell, or move around in order to dis­pell ner­vous energy. Per­haps “E-learning in con­text” rather than “E-learning AS con­text” would help.

  • All great com­ments, to which I will respond when I am fully con­nected (my only access at the moment is through my iPhone).

    Joe — I had fully intended mak­ing a point that is close to the one you make, though per­haps with a slightly dif­fer­ent empha­sis. I did note my own wari­ness with the term in my post — how­ever, the event itself us billed as an ‘eLearn­ing’ con­fer­ence, so it would be dis­cour­te­ous of me not to take the term seriously.

    Sean — ‘con­text is all’ — I absolutely agree. I do think though that many (most) who still choose to use the term ‘eLearn­ing’ (out­side the cor­po­rate con­text) do not nec­es­sar­ily put all the empha­sis on the ‘e’.

    I hope to respond more fully later.

  • I agree with Joe. Bad E-Learning is when you try to do some­thing just because you can and just because it’s using technology.

    I’m a ‘Direc­tor of E-Learning’ but I just ignore the ‘E’ — it’s all about the learn­ing. :-)

  • Joe’s com­ment that you could drop the ‘e’ could be taken fur­ther — you could drop the ‘elearn­ing’ and the ques­tion remains the same. How do we dif­fer­en­ti­ate the good and bad _anything_? The dan­ger is we cre­ate a check­box of char­ac­ter­is­tics ‘good’ things have, but we can then find exam­ples that don’t meet those cri­te­ria, yet which we all acknowl­edge are ‘good’. This is the Wittgen­stein game prob­lem — there is no sin­gle def­i­n­i­tion that would include all the things we recog­nise as games, yet we know what a game is when we see one. So rather it is about similarity/closeness to a stereo­type (or arche­type). So we could maybe draw up an arche­type of ‘good’ elearn­ing and then we have some­thing to mea­sure against.
    Grainne has done some good work­ing on try­ing to artic­u­late dif­fer­ent rep­re­sen­ta­tions of courses here: http://e4innovation.com/?p=328 which might be use­ful also.
    Martin

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  • Bad elearn­ing: rely­ing on the tech­nol­ogy to do the teach­ing for you. Think­ing that a new tool will sub­sti­tute for engage­ment and inter­est in your students.

    Good elearn­ing: using the tech­nol­ogy to sup­port good teach­ing to facil­i­tate learn­ing oppor­tu­nites. Being enthu­si­as­tic, sup­port­ing your stu­dents, encour­ag­ing them to work to their poten­tial, help­ing them to make con­nec­tions and under­stand the pos­si­bil­i­ties for self directed learn­ing oppor­tu­ni­ties. For­get the e, and focus on the learning.

  • John, this is not entirely on topic, but with the huge vari­ety of tools and sources of infor­ma­tion avail­able today, is it not bet­ter that teach­ing becomes a mat­ter of set­ting learn­ing tar­gets and let­ting the stu­dents to a large extent deter­mine the method.

    In pre-Internet days it was prob­a­bly rea­son­able for a teacher to deter­mine the method. Aim­ing to teach about a sci­en­tific law, the only source of infor­ma­tion would be books and the best method of record­ing would be an exer­cise book and a pen. How­ever, today surely a teacher should set the objec­tive, knowl­edge of Boyle’s Law. A stu­dent could then use the inter­net, either an online ency­clo­pe­dia, a google search, or a text­book and record it in Word, a Pow­er­point, a wiki or an exer­cise book. All are equally valid means to an end.

    The most effec­tive method of learn­ing will be a mat­ter for the stu­dent, given the known vari­ety of learn­ing styles.

  • It’s been inter­est­ing read­ing these com­ments — I’m still ambiva­lent about the ‘e’, per­suaded both ways.

    The pre­sen­ta­tion hap­pened a cou­ple of days ago, and John asked me to post a ques­tion I asked him from the floor directly after­wards. It was some­thing like:

    The vision of your pre­sen­ta­tion is far reach­ing and yet here we all are, sit­ting in rows fac­ing the author­ity fig­ure at the front, silent for an hour. It’s like the photo of the 1960s pri­mary school in one of your slides. The dif­fer­ence between rhetoric and real­ity is stark. So my ques­tion is this. If all the con­straints (about which we are all aware and under­stand­ing) were removed, would you change this pre­sen­ta­tion? If so, how? Is there any­thing you would try to pre­serve, and why?

  • Mira,

    It was good to meet you at the event in Brunel and thanks for repeat­ing your great question.

    I intend to take the lib­erty of turn­ing your ques­tion into a blog post so that we can open it out to a wider group. This is a peren­nial ques­tion for any­one work­ing in or speak­ing about this gen­eral area of eLearning/Learning 2.0/Web 2.0 in edu­ca­tion. I’l try to set it up as a post in its own right in the next day or so.

    John

  • Thanks John. I for­got to say how much I enjoyed the pre­sen­ta­tion. I thought it was an excel­lent keynote, in that I kept return­ing to it through­out the event. That’s all for now, I will wait for your blog post with interest.

  • Tony Parkin wrote:

    John

    I am with those who believe this should work with­out the ‘e’. But I must say whilst I have no prob­lem with debat­ing what makes for good and bad teach­ing, I do strug­gle to even define ‘bad learn­ing’ — and no, I don’t nec­es­sar­ily recog­nise it when I see it. Let alone agree on what it is with colleagues.

    Adding the ‘e’ allows us to focus debate on the role of the the tech­nol­ogy — but still comes to sub­jec­tive opin­ion on ped­a­gogy rather than true insight into learn­ing, good or bad.

    Tony Parkin

  • An impor­tant aspect of “e-pedagogy” is course man­age­ment and course organ­i­sa­tion. This is often over-looked. This is more impor­tant in an online envi­ron­ment than tra­di­tional teach­ing. Clar­ity of pur­pose, clear instruc­tions, good sup­port, well explained assess­ment and trans­par­ent assess­ment cri­te­ria, are vital to good e-learning — and often badly done, leav­ing online learn­ers unclear about what it is they have to do, how they are to do it, and unsure about how it will be assessed.

    Bad e-learning? Let­ting learn­ers “teach them­selves” while the teacher gets on with more inter­est­ing things (like a late research paper) and dress­ing this up as “con­struc­tivist teach­ing approach”.

  • […] Otra de las con­fer­en­cias fue la de Jonh Con­nell de Cisco Sys­tem, una visión muy intere­sante sobre el eLearn­ing, el sen­tido de la con­viven­ci­aidad, las opor­tu­nidades de crec­imiento y una de las ideas que me gustó mucho fue la del sín­dorme de la casa del árbol, una casa con­stru­ida por adul­tos para los niños… creo que tengo que inves­ti­gar más sobre esto, parece que el sín­drome es más común de lo que parece, ¿No esta­mos en eso? La con­fer­en­cia se llamó: There’s good eLearn­ing and there’s Bad eLearn­ing:  how do we tell one  from the other? […]

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  • […] Otra de las con­fer­en­cias fue la de Jonh Con­nell de Cisco Sys­tem, una visión muy intere­sante sobre el eLearn­ing, el sen­tido de la con­viven­ci­aidad, las opor­tu­nidades de crec­imiento y una de las ideas que me gustó mucho fue la del sín­dorme de la casa del árbol, una casa con­stru­ida por adul­tos para los niños… creo que tengo que inves­ti­gar más sobre esto, parece que el sín­drome es más común de lo que parece, ¿No esta­mos en eso? La con­fer­en­cia se llamó: There’s good eLearn­ing and there’s Bad eLearn­ing:  how do we tell one  from the other? […]

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